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By Kevin Holden  01.03.08 | 12:00 AM
 
  When NASA begins launching astronaut teams on 800-day missions to Mars, one of the greatest survival tests these explorers will face is the inevitable alienation they'll experience with their remoteness from Earth and the harshness of the frozen Red Planet.

After rocketing halfway around the solar system for 180 nights, these astronauts will start the first of 500 days on the Martian surface observing a cocoa-colored dusk fade into a star-saturated nightfall. Earth, 400 million kilometers away, will appear as just a twinkling blue diamond in the skies. The astronauts will have never felt so alone.

But NASA thinks it has an answer to the psychological challenge of interplanetary isolation. While aerospace engineers are designing the Ares rockets to be deployed in the Mars missions, a more starry-eyed contingent at NASA is testing networking and virtual reality technologies that they think will connect the first wave of Mars pioneers with their families, friends and colleagues back on Earth, in a 3-D virtual world cut from the mold of Second Life or World of Warcraft.

"We want to help our remote explorers 'phone home' in a way that lets them sit around a dinner table with their family, help their children with homework and analyze the latest findings with their Earth-bound peers," says Jeanne Holm, chief knowledge architect at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

The initiative is the latest in the space agency's enthusiastic push into virtual worlds. In May, NASA set up its own island in Second Life to enable online collaboration on technology projects, and the agency is working to create 3-D simulations of the orange-red deserts of Mars, so astronauts can experience the Red Planet before going there.

"Virtual worlds will play a key role in returning to the Moon and exploring Mars, says Jessy Cowan-Sharp, who helped create NASA's CoLab island in Second Life.

But an interplanetary virtual world faces the seemingly intractable limits imposed by the speed of light. When on diametrically opposite sides of the sun, Mars and Earth are separated by 20 light-minutes; when closest, the planets are still four light-minutes apart. That's a long ping time, and jacking into a virtual world over a radio link of that distance would be like diving into a vat of very thick molasses.

NASA can put a man on the Moon, but can it conquer connection lag?

Daniel Laughlin, learning technologies project manager at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, is optimistic. He's studying earthbound "immersive synthetic environments" for use in the space program, and he says NASA is trying to figure out how to work around the interplanetary lag problem.

While e-mail messages would seem like an obvious solution, and one easily in reach of current technology, it's not good enough, Laughlin says. Forcing the Mars astronauts to rely solely on e-mail communication with family and friends could underscore, rather than erase, the vast gulf between them. In contrast, the immediacy and intimacy of synthetic worlds would make astronauts feel at home.

"If we were meeting in Second Life or World of Warcraft to chat, we would both have the sense of being in the same place overlaid on our sense of physical location," Laughlin muses. "The experience encodes into our memories as if we were in the same place."

If NASA's virtual world gambit seems like a pipe dream, there's no doubt that astronauts traveling to Mars, or returning to the Moon, will enjoy a wealth of tech communications options that the Apollo crews couldn't have imagined.

Chris McKay, a planetary scientist at NASA Ames Research Center, says that with high-resolution videocameras, podcasts and web forums, the first Mars invaders could stage the ultimate reality show, with some becoming super-icons back on Earth.

Just knowing that their every move is being watched by a rapt audience at home could help the Mars voyagers find the strength to solider on in the face of "long-term conditions of isolation, privation and psychological stress," says Robert Zubrin, author of The Case for Mars and founder of The Mars Society.

"The psychological boost enjoyed by Mars-bound astronauts of knowing that they are 'golden people,' celebrated as heroes by millions on Earth, cannot be overstated," says Zubrin.

NASA's Laughlin, though, is committed to giving astronauts a more interactive experience. They might even be able to tap the internet from Mars to order Christmas gifts from e-Bay or cards from northpole.com for delivery to friends still on their home world, he says. Or they might download the latest singles from iTunes or e-books from Amazon.com.

Of course, with a single interplanetary TCP handshake clocking in at 12 to 60 minutes, the Mars mission will probably want to use One-Click.

"I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots" - Albert Einstein -

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Re: NASA Dreams of an Interplanetary 'Second Life' for Mars Crew
« Risposta #1 il: Ven 04/01/2008, 22:40 »
I have an English test tomorrow so I'll try not to do what felt logical, i.e. commenting on the article in Italian so that non English speakers would grasp a bit of what it is about.

We talked a little about "internationalizing" the forum, but this is too much I guess :)

Anyway, for the sake of the casual googlers that will land on this topic in the future I'll stick to English only and move the discussion to the international forum when I'm done.

I am _VERY_ interested in the outcome of this kind of research.
Latency is a big issue when it's in the order of the millisecond, imagine when you have to travel a few million miles(*)
I think most of the ramblings in the article about the crew being able to surf the web or download stuff off iTunes is of course bulls_it, but it explores a little discussed topic, the "other" challenges of the future pioneers.

Interactivity would simply not be an option, unless they find a way to transfer information faster than light, breaking a couple of fundamental physics laws ;)
So I'm interested in what kind of solution they'll come up with.

I'm a big fan of the "second life"-like technologies, although not second life itself, and this would be a pretty strong case while advocating the concept of 3d worlds to skeptical people.
I can confirm the ability to store memories of experiences in 3d worlds with other people as events happened while staying in the same physical place. Try Second Life to experience it, it's funny.

Alright, enough off topics for tonight...forgive me but I'm doing all I can to force my mind into solid English mode.

(*) (why the hell do I think in miles when I speak in english? Maybe it's the cold. I've been out in the snow and it's almost 32 degrees! :P)
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Re: NASA Dreams of an Interplanetary 'Second Life' for Mars Crew
« Risposta #2 il: Sab 05/01/2008, 12:19 »
Latency is a big issue when it's in the order of the millisecond, imagine when you have to travel a few million miles(*)
There are ways of dealing with latency, such as adding mirrors to elevators, which may be a source of new ideas.


I think most of the ramblings in the article about the crew being able to surf the web or download stuff off iTunes is of course bulls_it, but it explores a little discussed topic, the "other" challenges of the future pioneers.
In the good old Internet days, there were email gateways to asynchronously do some typically interactive tasks such as downloading files via FTP and web pages via HTTP, performing database queries, etc. Maybe it's time to dust them off?


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Re: NASA Dreams of an Interplanetary 'Second Life' for Mars Crew
« Risposta #3 il: Sab 05/01/2008, 14:02 »
For Forum's sake!
I never cleared you for using english on this forum!
You are warned: just another word in english and I'll send you to clean up the toilets in the VAB at KSC! :stica:
;)
Clearly I'm just joking...
Good luck for your exam, Michael.
I doubt you'll have any problem, but keep an eye to your feed-through connectors :D :D :D
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Re: NASA Dreams of an Interplanetary 'Second Life' for Mars Crew
« Risposta #4 il: Sab 05/01/2008, 14:19 »
For Forum's sake!
I never cleared you for using english on this forum!
You are warned: just another word in english and I'll send you to clean up the toilets in the VAB at KSC! :stica:

Non sarebbe simpatico, si possono fare brutti incontri...  :shock:
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Re: NASA Dreams of an Interplanetary 'Second Life' for Mars Crew
« Risposta #5 il: Sab 05/01/2008, 14:22 »
Non sarebbe simpatico, si possono fare brutti incontri...  :shock:
Exactly the situation I had in mind while writin'.... :mrgreen:
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Re: NASA Dreams of an Interplanetary 'Second Life' for Mars Crew
« Risposta #6 il: Sab 05/01/2008, 15:37 »
Good luck for your exam, Michael.
I doubt you'll have any problem, but keep an eye to your feed-through connectors :D :D :D

Ok I may be too tired from the test but I really don't get it.

I haven't tried to look for a "dirty side" of the joke, and I'm not going to :) I might not like what I'd find :P
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Re: NASA Dreams of an Interplanetary 'Second Life' for Mars Crew
« Risposta #7 il: Sab 05/01/2008, 15:45 »
In the good old Internet days, there were email gateways to asynchronously do some typically interactive tasks such as downloading files via FTP and web pages via HTTP, performing database queries, etc. Maybe it's time to dust them off?

I wonder how many emails would it take to buy something off ebay :)

And SSL is a synchronous protocol, so they need to come up with another form of cryptography. Would you send your credit card informations over an interplanetary link?
You'd vulnerable to alien-in-the-middle attacks!! :)

Enough bulls*it for today!
:)
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Re: NASA Dreams of an Interplanetary 'Second Life' for Mars Crew
« Risposta #8 il: Sab 05/01/2008, 21:31 »
You'd vulnerable to alien-in-the-middle attacks!! :)
... and yes, you ARE too tired. :D

Enough bulls*it for today!
:)
I wonder why...
I have a special talent for them....
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