# Elucubrazioni sulla NASA e lo spazio nell'amministrazione Trump 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Chiacchierate astronautiche\ **Created:** [7 Novembre 2024, 11:19am UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514 "2024-11-07T11:19:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Vespiacic](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/vespiacic/32/589_2.png) [@Vespiacic](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/Vespiacic)\ **Post date:** [28 Gennaio 2025, 11:55am UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/93 "2025-01-28T11:55:18Z")
> [@Me99](#): > > > [@Vespiacic](#): > > > > Inoltre la pausa si riferisce solo ai nuovi finanziamenti e a quelli in corso che sono esplicitamente contro gli ordini esecutivi. > > Non mi pare che questa sia l’interpretazione corrente, né da parte degli organi di stampa, né da parte delle agenzie. Vedi NSF che, come ricordavamo sopra, ha sospeso indiscriminatamente tutti i panel. Questo l’ho interpretato nella seconda pagina del pdf che dice: _“Each agency must pause: (i) issuance of new awards; (ii) disbursement of Federal funds under all open awards; and (iii) other relevant agency actions that may be implicated by the executive orders, to the extent permissible by law, until OMB has reviewed”_ Ok, vero, dopo il 10 febbraio OMB risponde, quindi non si sbloccano i nuovi fondi dopo il 10. La parte del processo relativo a ICA e GAO mi mancavano completamente, spero di aver tempo tra qualche settimana di darci un’occhiata, sembra una cosa lunga e impegnativa. > [@Buzz](#): > > I miei 2 cents: prendiamo con le molle quello che sta succedendo, perché IMVHO è propaganda da entrambe le parti. Stiamo discutendo solamente gli effetti immediati a breve termine di queste decisioni, che evidentemente hanno già un impatto. Sinceramente, come opinione personale, guardo a questi eventi semplicemente come una spending review, senza curare troppo le ragioni politiche che ci stanno dietro. Ci vorrà tempo per fare le valutazioni necessarie, ma IMHO qualche dollaro lo salvano per girarlo a qualcosa di più scientifico. ---
**Author:** ![Saimoncis](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/saimoncis/32/47_2.png) [@Saimoncis](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/Saimoncis)\ **Post date:** [28 Gennaio 2025, 12:12pm UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/94 "2025-01-28T12:12:55Z")
> [@anon88629022](#): > > DT come piace chiamarlo da molti che hanno paura anche solo a scrivere un nome, Non presumere cose che se vere per te, lo sono di conseguenza anche per altri. Ho scritto DT perché in questo forum siamo abituati a sigle e acronimi, a volte anche per i nomi di persona. I cinesi fortunatamente non sono un modello a cui gli italiani ambiscono, ma purtroppo da 80 anni siamo bombardati da tutto quello che è a stelle e strisce. Spero che l’Europa abbia la forza di non andare al guinzaglio. ---
**Author:** ![adminbot](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/adminbot/32/540_2.png) [@adminbot](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/adminbot)\ **Post date:** [28 Gennaio 2025, 12:30pm UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/95 "2025-01-28T12:30:31Z")
Per favore, restiamo sul punto ed evitiamo ogni divagazione _puramente_ politica. ---
**Author:** ![Me99](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/me99/32/267342_2.png) [@Me99](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/Me99)\ **Post date:** [28 Gennaio 2025, 12:45pm UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/96 "2025-01-28T12:45:56Z")
Un [thread di un prof. di astronomia](https://bsky.app/profile/mbkplus.bsky.social/post/3lgqvynjitk2n) che illustra il calendario tipico dei grant NSF nel suo settore e spiega le conseguenze della sospensione (anche breve). Lo incollo sotto perché è impostato per essere visibile ai soli utenti registrati su bsky. ![kolchin](https://discourse-data-fra.fra1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/6/0/60612c0e9ab86fc000e84ad3719ae4bdedbba222.jpeg) Edit. Casey Dreier di The Planetey Society: > NASA’s active grants and “Cooperative Agreements” have nearly $887M of obligations in the past few fiscal years, and impact every state in the union. Inizio del thread. > **[Casey Dreier (@caseydreier.bsky.social)](https://bsky.app/profile/caseydreier.bsky.social/post/3lgtrifozcs2t)** > > Despite the vagueness of the OMB order, I attempted to make a reasonable guess based on its definitions and references to 2 C.F.R. § 200.1. NASA's active grants and "Cooperative Agreements" have nearly $887M of obligations in the past few fiscal... ---
**Author:** ![arkanoid](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/arkanoid/32/91943_2.png) [@arkanoid](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/arkanoid)\ **Post date:** [28 Gennaio 2025, 1:11pm UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/97 "2025-01-28T13:11:28Z")
Sì va bene ma è ovvio che se un presidente vuole cambiare le cose ci saranno degli scontenti, è nella natura delle cose. Pretendere di cambiare senza cambiare è un ossimoro. Tra qualche mese si potrà capire meglio dove va la bilancia e tra 4 anni si tireranno le somme come sempre. Un repubblicano del suo stampo nessuno si aspettava avesse un approccio democratico. ---
**Author:** ![SaturnPower](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/saturnpower/32/215598_2.png) [@SaturnPower](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/SaturnPower)\ **Post date:** [29 Gennaio 2025, 7:54am UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/98 "2025-01-29T07:54:37Z")
Lo scambio di tweet tra il POTUS e Elon Musk a riguardo della situazione di Suni e Butch ieri sera è ai limiti del surreale… ---
**Author:** ![Me99](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/me99/32/267342_2.png) [@Me99](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/Me99)\ **Post date:** [29 Gennaio 2025, 6:20pm UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/99 "2025-01-29T18:20:24Z")
Il memorandum di cui si discuteva sopra è appena stato revocato. > OMB Memorandum M-25-13 is rescinded. > **[Marisa Kabas (@marisakabas.bsky.social)](https://bsky.app/profile/marisakabas.bsky.social/post/3lgvjoy4a2s2t)** > > 🚨 BREAKING: OMB has just issued a memo \*rescinding\* the previous memo freezing all federal financial assistance programs. > > Full text, per government source: La notizia è confermata da Reuters. > **[Reuters (@reuters.com)](https://bsky.app/profile/reuters.com/post/3lgvkw36cv227)** > > BREAKING: The White House Office of Management and Budget has rescinded a Trump administration directive pausing federal loans, grants and other financial assistance, a White House official said reut.rs/3WDdkOa > https://reut.rs/3WDdkOa * * * Edit. 31.01. Nonostante il memorandum sia stato revocato, NSF ha deciso di mantenere la sospensione dei panel e sta bloccando i pagamenti di tutti i grant già assegnati. L’articolo di Science. (qui su [Archive](https://archive.is/mreT1)) 📰 **[EXCLUSIVE: NSF starts vetting all grants to comply with Trump’s orders](https://www.science.org/content/article/exclusive-nsf-starts-vetting-all-grants-comply-trump-s-orders?utm_campaign=Science&utm_medium=ownedSocial&utm_source=Bluesky)** > In a radical break with tradition, the National Science Foundation (NSF) this week began to search through billions of dollars of grants the agency has already awarded for anything touching on topics that President Donald Trump has criticized. And NSF has blocked grantees and trainees from accessing funds while the review is underway, wreaking havoc across the academic research community. Un articolo con qualche dettaglio in più su Stat ([archive](https://archive.is/dSv9p#selection-1535.108-1535.564)). 📰 **[National Science Foundation suspends salary payments, leaving researchers unable to pay their bills](https://www.statnews.com/2025/01/30/trump-funding-freeze-national-science-foundation-suspends-salary-payments/)** > But then minutes before 5, when the freeze would’ve gone into effect had a judge not intervened, an NSF official emailed grant recipients, saying that the system through which their payments were processed would be put on pause. “You will be receiving cancellation notices for any pending payment transactions to enable resubmission, pending additional guidance, to ensure only eligible activities are included in future payment requests,” the email read. La mail inviata dall’ **American Astronomical Society** ai suoi membri. ![aas1](https://discourse-data-fra.fra1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/1/c/1c289f99196ec70247ae32d047399ba1411772c0.jpeg) ![aas2](https://discourse-data-fra.fra1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/d/c/dc6a96111a49e7bfc62aa658361e6d38728ae415.jpeg) ![aas3](https://discourse-data-fra.fra1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/1/9/195c8d89f0f93413c64077efd463e318676312cc.jpeg) Edit. NASA ha interrotto l’attività dell’[Exoplanet Exploration Program Analysis Group (ExoPAG)](https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/exep/exopag/overview/). > The Exoplanet Exploration Program Analysis Group (ExoPAG) is responsible for soliciting and coordinating community input into the development and execution of NASA’s Exoplanet Exploration Program (ExEP). It serves as a community-based, interdisciplinary forum for soliciting and coordinating community analysis and input in support of the Exoplanet Exploration Program objectives and of their implications for architecture planning and activity prioritization and for future exploration. It provides findings of analyses to the NASA Astrophysics Division Director. Il [messaggio su bsky](https://bsky.app/profile/astronomay.bsky.social/post/3lh2qqrv2kk2d) (visibile solo se iscritti). ![exopag](https://discourse-data-fra.fra1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/3/0/301651def8b85e2e1329c81859de3e0f60dcd03e.png) * * * Edit. 01.02 Tutti i gruppi legati alla scienza planetaria sono stati messi in pausa. > **[All NASA Planetary Science Analysis/Assessment Groups Paused](https://nasawatch.com/2025/01/31/all-nasa-planetary-science-analysis-assessment-groups-paused/)** > > Kathleen Vander Kaaden at NASA Science Mission Directorate sent this memo out today > Kathleen Vander Kaaden at NASA Science Mission Directorate sent this memo out today: _“As NASA continues to review and ensure compliance with presidential actions, we are requesting that you please pause all meetings and activities of Planetary Science Analysis/Assessment Groups. This includes ExMAG, LEAG, MAPSIT, MEPAG, MExAG, OPAG, OWWG, SBAG, VEXAG, the cross-AG EDIA Working Group, and any other groups or activities that have been developed by the AGs. Please make your communities aware of this request. If you are no longer the chair of one of these AGs or AG-associated groups, please let me know so I can ensure the appropriate folks receive this information.”_ Discussione su Bsky con alcuni dettaglia relativa a MExAG. > **[Ed Rivera-Valentín (@planettreky.bsky.social)](https://bsky.app/profile/planettreky.bsky.social/post/3lh3cv3mcx22y)** > > Because of the below request by NASA, next week’s MExAG meeting has been canceled. 😞 > > \[contains quote post or other embedded content\] * * * Edit. 02.02 NSF ha ripreso i pagamenti citando a motivo il provvedimento il Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) emesso da un giudice federale _to “…not pause, freeze, impede, block, cancel, or terminate… awards and obligations.”_ 📰 **[NSF Implementation of Recent Executive Orders](https://new.nsf.gov/executive-orders)** > Access to the **Award Cash Management Service (ACM$)** has been restored and the system is available to accept payment requests as of 12:00 PM ET on February 2, 2025. Importante questo passaggio della [FAQ](https://new.nsf.gov/executive-orders#faq). > #### 8. Can NSF terminate my award even if they are still reviewing all awards? > > NSF can not take action to delay or stop payment for active awards based solely on actual or potential non-compliance with the Executive Orders. However, the TRO reserves the agency’s right to take action for reasons not related to compliance with the executive orders, such as violations of law, regulation, or current NSF grant terms and condition. ![nsf](https://discourse-data-fra.fra1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/2/6/263858b6d79e01c895eebbfd49f93fffc12b5bca.png) * * * Edit. 03.02. - Editoriale del NY sull’impatto della campagna anti-DEI di Trump sul reclutamento degli astronauti. 📰 **[NASA Astronaut Recruitment Faces Trump’s Moves Against D.E.I.](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/03/science/nasa-astronauts-dei-trump.html)** ([archive](https://archive.is/wkCB1#selection-876.0-876.1)) [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/03/science/nasa-astronauts-dei-trump.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/03/science/nasa-astronauts-dei-trump.html) - Primo materiale di cui ho notizia rimosso da un sito NASA: **_[Early Career Scientist Spotlight](https://science.gsfc.nasa.gov/600/ECSS/)_ (ECSS)** articles showcase the _early_ career scientists working at _NASA Goddard_ Space Flight Center. > **[Dr. Adeene Denton (@spacewhalerider.com)](https://bsky.app/profile/spacewhalerider.com/post/3lhbnrii45k2j)** > > NASA Goddard's entire Early Scientist Spotlight series is down, including some really cool interviews with underrepresented people who've since had to leave the field due to the lack of jobs! That's extremely cowardly and whoever is doing this should... * * * Edit. 04.02 Tutte le pagine dei _NASA Analysis and Assessment Groups_ sono state rimosse: “_being reviewed in response to guidance given by NASA leadership_”. > **[Ed Rivera-Valentín (@planettreky.bsky.social)](https://bsky.app/profile/planettreky.bsky.social/post/3lhci667lg22q)** > > Sigh. The planetary AG pages are now down: > > www.lpi.usra.edu/analysis/ > > They now divert to pages that say the website is under review. > https://www.lpi.usra.edu/analysis/ 404 Media ha ottenuto la direttiva interna alla NASA relativa alle parti di web da eliminare. > **[Workers at NASA Told to ‘Drop Everything’ to Scrub Mentions of Indigenous...](https://www.404media.co/nasa-dei-drop-everything-executive-order/)** > > "This is a drop everything and reprioritize your day request," a directive "per NASA HQ direction" stated. ![bafkreih67iyeoucw5qpgmnowov3z57kykva4xowvohljgjmlsejn54ttka](https://discourse-data-fra.fra1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/d/3/d3adeff0a85c5293eb91da01cd78df01477016f5.jpeg) > Many of these changes are visible on publicly-available NASA Github repositories, where NASA pages have been edited to change, for example “inclusive” to “fair.” “Inclusion” has also been deleted from promotional materials about competitions. ![github](https://discourse-data-fra.fra1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/f/b/fbcb2b56c7d8c4be268a0a0faf4ee42fe6d890ea.jpeg) ![github2](https://discourse-data-fra.fra1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/3X/2/e/2ead906ec9b39d9199885482f808059f246c58cc.jpeg) * * * Edit 08.02 ![bafkreicv7sb424v2ve3ohu6qx6zeiamqo2xxpkldgpehmp2xuddv5ignby](https://discourse-data-fra.fra1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/original/4X/e/3/8/e382cb08dd6b9dfeef722a130936e0326a85664e.jpeg) La pagina rimossa: > **[NASA Intern Found Hope in the Moon - NASA](https://web.archive.org/web/20231206220911/https://www.nasa.gov/universe/nasa-intern-found-hope-in-the-moon-2/)** > > Lee esta historia en español aquí ---
**Author:** ![indaco](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/indaco/32/46895_2.png) [@indaco](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/indaco)\ **Post date:** [29 Gennaio 2025, 11:49pm UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/100 "2025-01-29T23:49:09Z")
Anche senza DT e EM saremmo in un punto di singolarita’ tecnologica, stanno succedendo troppe cose alla tecnologia spaziale, delle comunicazioni e informatica. Paradossalmente le polarizzazioni politiche potrebbero rallentare gli eventi, es. meno persone avrebbero fiatato perche’ il governo acquista Starlink se EM non si fosse cosi’ sbilanciato ultimamente. ---
**Author:** ![Vespiacic](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/vespiacic/32/589_2.png) [@Vespiacic](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/Vespiacic)\ **Post date:** [4 Febbraio 2025, 11:52am UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/101 "2025-02-04T11:52:38Z")
Un articolo sulla percezione che c’è alla NASA sul futuro dell’agenzia. > **[Concern about SpaceX influence at NASA grows with new appointee](https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/02/as-nasa-flies-into-turbulence-the-agency-could-use-a-steady-hand/)** > > Morale at the space agency is absurdly low, sources say. I commenti personali dell’autore, op-ed, parlano di cancellazione di Mars Sample return, Artemis, Lunar Gateway, ISS. Penso che effettivamente si risparmierebbero un sacco di soldi togliendo questi programmi, una cosa tipo il 90% del budget… ---
**Author:** ![Me99](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/me99/32/267342_2.png) [@Me99](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/Me99)\ **Post date:** [4 Febbraio 2025, 4:28pm UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/102 "2025-02-04T16:28:02Z")
Al di là della cancellazione di singoli programmi, l’elefante nella stanza è l’enorme conflitto di interessi che si è venuto a creare. A sottolinearlo, segnalo due passaggi dell’articolo … > Petro announced that a longtime SpaceX employee named Michael Altenhofen had joined the agency “as a senior advisor to the NASA Administrator.” Altenhofen is an accomplished engineer who interned at NASA in 2005 but has spent the last 15 years at SpaceX, most recently as a leader of human spaceflight programs. He certainly brings expertise, but his hiring also raises concerns about SpaceX’s influence over NASA operations. > > […] > > [Isaacman] has paid, and possibly still owes, significant money to SpaceX for the Polaris Program of missions he has signed up for. So, there are some financial entanglements. … e aggiungo qualche considerazione riguardo ai _financial entanglements_ di cui parla Berger, _entanglements_ che mi sembra riduttivo confinare ai soli pagamenti versati o ancora dovuti da Isaacman a SpaceX. Shift4 - l’azienda fondata da Isaacman - nel 2021 ha stretto una partnership commerciale con SpaceX / Starlink⁽ **¹** ⁾ e investito almeno 27,5 milioni di dollari⁽ **²** ⁾ nell’azienda di Musk. Isaacman ha annunciato che si dimetterà da CEO una volta ottenuta la nomina ma non risultano impegni sulla cessione della sua partecipazione azionaria in Shift4⁽ **³** ⁾. Anzi, nella lettera inviata agli impiegati⁽ **⁴** ⁾ in occasione della nomina scrive che intende conservarla. > I also plan to retain the majority of my equity interest in Shift4, subject to ethics obligations and will move quickly to reduce my voting power to be commensurate with other Class-A shareholders. Nel caso mantenesse questo proposito, avremo un amministratore della NASA che detiene quote di una azienda che ha investimenti diretti e una partnership commerciale con uno dei principali fornitori dell’agenzia. Note. **1.** 📰 **[Shift4 stock surges after company signs payments deal with SpaceX’s Starlink](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/10/shift4-stock-surges-after-spacex-starlink-payments-deal.html)** **2.** 📰 [**The fintech CEO who is becoming a frequent flier with SpaceX**](https://www.bankingdive.com/news/jared-isaacman-shift4-spacex-flight-space-walk/726388/) **3.** 📄 [**SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION** **Washington, D.C. 20549**](https://investors.shift4.com/sec-filings/all-sec-filings/content/0000950170-25-006255/0000950170-25-006255.pdf) [pdf] **4.** 📧 [**Subject: Jared Isaacman’s Acceptance of Nomination for NASA Administrator**](https://d1io3yog0oux5.cloudfront.net/_28196cbedc5c0c3abff6dc9bdad1d1d5/shift4/db/3583/33798/pdf/Letter+from+the+CEO+to+Shift4+Employees.pdf) [pdf] Edit. 07.02 Sempre a proposito di conflitto di interessi. > **[Key Congressional Democrats Query DOT, NASA About Musk Conflicts of Interest](https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/key-congressional-democrats-query-dot-nasa-about-musk-conflicts-of-interest/)** > > Posted: February 6, 2025 10:57 pm ET | Last Updated: February 6, 2025 11:07 pm ET | Sen. Maria Cantwell has written to DOT Secretary Sean Duffy, and Reps. Zoe Lofgren and Valerie Foushee to Acting NASA Administrator Janet Petro, expressing concern... La lettera inviata all’amministratore pro tempore della NASA. [pdf] 📧 **[Dear Acting Administrator Petro](https://democrats-science.house.gov/imo/media/doc/SST%20RM%20Lofgren%20and%20Foushee%20-%20Letter%20to%20Acting%20Administrator%20Petro%20-%20DOGE%20Classified%20Access%20-%202.6.25.pdf)** * * * Edit 08.02 L’amministrazione USA dice che sarà lo stesso Musk che a vagliare ed evitare i propri conflitti di interesse. > Trump said Monday that Musk would be kept away from interacting with aspects of government that could be a conflict of interest, saying if “there’s a problem, we won’t let him go near it.” However, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt [said](https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1887211435865903540) Tuesday that Musk would be trusted with calling out his own conflicts of interest. If the tech billionaire encounters a conflict of interest with his companies’ contracts and the funding overseen by DOGE, “then Elon will excuse himself from those contracts,” Leavitt said. > **[Elon Musk’s Official Title Is ‘Special Government Employee’—Here’s What That...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2025/02/05/white-house-says-elon-musk-trusted-to-claim-his-own-conflicts-of-interest-as-special-government-employee-heres-what-that-means/)** > > The Tesla CEO was tapped by President Donald Trump to lead the Department of Government Efficiency. > Referencing Trump’s comments from Monday, she [press secretary Karoline Leavit replied: > > _The president was already asked to answer this question this week. And he said, if Elon Musk comes across a conflict of interest with the contracts and the funding that DOGE is overseeing, that Elon will excuse himself from those contracts, and he has again abided by all applicable laws._ > **[On Musk’s potential conflicts, White House eyes untenable solution](https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/musks-potential-conflicts-white-house-eyes-untenable-solution-rcna190973)** > > Team Trump is facing questions about Elon Musk, the controversial DOGE initiative and conflicts of interest. The answers are falling embarrassingly short. ---
**Author:** ![carmelo\_pugliatti](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/carmelo_pugliatti/32/9_2.png) [@carmelo\_pugliatti](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/carmelo_pugliatti)\ **Post date:** [4 Febbraio 2025, 5:19pm UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/103 "2025-02-04T17:19:42Z")
Io sono terrorizzato dagli effetti del Musk politico sul programma Starship. Se Musk dovesse divenire davvero fuori controllo,potrebbe generare reazioni da parte di apparati dello Stato Americano,o entrare in conflitto con lo stesso Trump. A quel punto l’eventuale caduta dell’uomo potrebbe trascinare con se anche il suo sogno spaziale,ossia il programma Starship. ---
**Author:** ![archipeppe](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/archipeppe/32/65151_2.png) [@archipeppe](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/archipeppe)\ **Post date:** [4 Febbraio 2025, 5:49pm UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/104 "2025-02-04T17:49:37Z")
Puoi stare tranquillo Carmelo. Starship serve talmente tanto, ed in tanti modi diversi (civili e militari), che sopravviverebbe comunque ad una ipotetica (quanto improbabile) caduta del suo ideatore. ---
**Author:** ![Vespiacic](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/vespiacic/32/589_2.png) [@Vespiacic](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/Vespiacic)\ **Post date:** [4 Febbraio 2025, 5:51pm UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/105 "2025-02-04T17:51:21Z")
Sì, è possibile, ci sono anche scenari peggiori a pensarci bene, ma ci può stare. Giusto per chiarire il ruolo ufficiale di Musk, tecnicamente non è un politico, ma un dipendente del governo, con ruolo di capo esecutivo del DOGE, dipartimento dell’efficienza, una e unica agenzia del USDS, agenzia per la digitalizzazione creata da Obama. Quello che formalmente può fare è solo suggerire tagli dove ci sono sprechi. Non ha nemmeno potere decisionale, solo consultorio. Ha acceso a informazioni riservate che prima non aveva. Non ha il clearance necessario però, quindi anche quando gli forniscono le informazioni è necessario un protocollo di controllo. Poi informalmente va a mangiare con Trump e magari ha un po’ di influenza in più, non dico che è un pezzo di pane, volevo solo chiarire il ruolo ufficiale. ---
**Author:** ![Me99](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/me99/32/267342_2.png) [@Me99](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/Me99)\ **Post date:** [7 Febbraio 2025, 11:04am UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/107 "2025-02-07T11:04:21Z")
Prime indiscrezioni sulle proposte di bilancio per l’NSF. Si parla di tagli al bilancio per il 60% e di un taglio tra il 25 e il 50% al personale. > One of the United States’ leading funders of science and engineering research is planning to lay off between a quarter and a half of its staff in the next two months, a top National Science Foundation official said Tuesday. > > The comments by Assistant Director Susan Margulies came at an all-hands meeting of the NSF’s Engineering Directorate, according to two program managers who attended. > **[Science funding agency threatened with mass layoffs](https://www.eenews.net/articles/science-funding-agency-threatened-with-mass-layoffs/)** > > National Science Foundation staff heard the plans at a meeting Tuesday. Altre fonti avrebbero confermato la notizia ad Ars Technica. > On Thursday, two sources told Ars that the science agency should expect to see steep cuts in Trump’s forthcoming budget request. In recent years, the National Science Foundation has received an annual budget of approximately $9 billion, the vast majority of which is spent on research and research-related activities. The cuts could be as deep as 66 percent, with one person indicating the top-line budget number for the National Science Foundation could start at $3 billion. [https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/02/white-house-budget-proposal-could-shatter-the-national-science-foundation/](https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/02/white-house-budget-proposal-could-shatter-the-national-science-foundation/) ---
**Author:** ![Me99](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/me99/32/267342_2.png) [@Me99](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/Me99)\ **Post date:** [7 Febbraio 2025, 10:28pm UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/108 "2025-02-07T22:28:33Z")
Appena uscita su Ars Technica: Boeing si prepara a 400 (al momento potenziali) licenziamenti in vista della revisione di Artemis. > “To align with revisions to the Artemis program and cost expectations, today we informed our Space Launch Systems team of the potential for approximately 400 fewer positions by April 2025,” a Boeing spokesperson told Ars. "This will require 60-day notices of involuntary layoff be issued to impacted employees in coming weeks, in accordance with the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act. > On Friday, with less than an hour’s notice, David Dutcher, Boeing’s vice president and program manager for the SLS rocket, scheduled an all-hands meeting for the approximately 800 employees working on the program. The apparently scripted meeting lasted just six minutes, and Dutcher didn’t take questions. > > During his remarks, Dutcher said Boeing’s contracts for the rocket could end in March and that the company was preparing for layoffs in case the contracts with the space agency were not renewed. “Cold and scripted” is how one person described Dutcher’s demeanor. Secondo Berger, l’attuale amministratore starebbe spingendo per far volare Artemis II e III. > Multiple sources said there has been a healthy debate within the White House and senior leadership at NASA, including active administrator Janet Petro, about the future of the SLS rocket and the Artemis Moon program. Some commercial space advocates have been pressing hard to cancel the rocket outright. Petro has been urging the White House to allow NASA to fly the Artemis II and Artemis III missions using the initial version of the SLS rocket before the program is canceled. > **[Boeing has informed its employees of uncertainty in future SLS contracts](https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/02/boeing-has-informed-its-employees-that-nasa-may-cancel-sls-contracts/)** > > The White House has not made a final decision yet on the large rocket. La notizia è confermata anche da Bloomberg: 📰 [**Boeing to Lay Off About 400 Workers on Moon Rocket Program**](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-02-07/boeing-to-lay-off-about-400-workers-on-moon-rocket-program) ([archive](https://archive.is/W3un5)) > The US aerospace company cited revisions to NASA’s Artemis program and cost expectations in a brief statement that cited the potential for roughly 400 fewer positions by April 2025. > > “We are working with our customer and seeking opportunities to redeploy employees across our company to minimize job losses and retain our talented teammates,” a Boeing spokesperson said by email. ---
**Author:** ![mattodeg](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/mattodeg/32/240810_2.png) [@mattodeg](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/mattodeg)\ **Post date:** [8 Febbraio 2025, 8:34am UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/109 "2025-02-08T08:34:23Z")
La domanda è: 400 persone su quante che lavorano al programma? ---
**Author:** ![Buzz](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/buzz/32/113_2.png) [@Buzz](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/Buzz)\ **Post date:** [8 Febbraio 2025, 8:44am UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/110 "2025-02-08T08:44:11Z")
“…scheduled an all-hands meeting for the approximately 800 employees working on the program…” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Me99](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/me99/32/267342_2.png) [@Me99](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/Me99)\ **Post date:** [8 Febbraio 2025, 9:02am UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/111 "2025-02-08T09:02:32Z")
> [@mattodeg](#): > > La domanda è: 400 persone su quante che lavorano al programma? Stavo leggendo la [discussione su r/boeing](https://www.reddit.com/r/boeing/comments/1ik4sf8/boeing_sls_layoffs_announced_272025/?share_id=KKrGnKicU1WI9JhHBTVNf). Il dato indicato nei due articoli sembra sia in parte errato: “_the approximately 800 employees working on the program_” dovrebbero essere in realtà \>1600; 400 licenziamenti sarebbero quindi circa 1/4 della forza lavoro. > Edit to clarify, dude with Ars Technica got it wrong, we heard in the audit we’ve got 1600+ in SLS. He’s operating on bad info. > > We only ever heard 400 is what I mean, granted he spoke quick and stumbled on his words, but 800 would be too much of a hit. I doubt we’d recover our timeline with 800 > > \*ETA, confirmed with my higher up, it was only 400 period, 800 would be 50% of the workforce ---
**Author:** ![Saimoncis](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/saimoncis/32/47_2.png) [@Saimoncis](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/Saimoncis)\ **Post date:** [8 Febbraio 2025, 1:07pm UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/112 "2025-02-08T13:07:29Z")
Non è mai bello vedere i licenziamenti, ma è anche brutto vedere soldi pubblici spesi in un programma (SLS) che non ha uno scopo. In questo forum abbiamo visto terminare Constellation e STS, e non credo che qualcuno con il senno di poi rimpianga la decisione. Chi perderà il posto si ricollocherá in altre aziende (ce ne sono a decine negli USA), culturalmente gli statunitensi non hanno problemi a noleggiare un rimorchio e cambiare velocemente città o stato. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Watney](https://www.forumastronautico.it/user_avatar/www.forumastronautico.it/mark_watney/32/238998_2.png) [@Mark\_Watney](https://www.forumastronautico.it/u/Mark_Watney)\ **Post date:** [9 Febbraio 2025, 7:10am UTC](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514/113 "2025-02-09T07:10:37Z")
Quale é la vostra opinione, fuori dai denti? Sls é un carrozzone mangiasoldi che non sta andando da nessuna parte o vale la pena mantenere il programma? [Pagina precedente](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514.md?page=4) [Pagina seguente](https://www.forumastronautico.it/t/elucubrazioni-sulla-nasa-e-lo-spazio-nellamministrazione-trump-2/49514.md?page=6)